Northern & southern summit elevations of ranked 8140A Je

[VinceKloster]

I hiked up ranked 8140A near the Buffalo Creek area in Jefferson County. I visited the northern summit first and it has a register and a benchmarck called JCMD127 from 1977. The register was placed there by who else but Mike Garratt on 2/22/03. Strangely, the other signers of this register did not include any other names that I normally would see i.e. from those who are on Lists of John. I easily found this register next to the benchmark. I have to believe that someone has determined that the southern area is the true high point. Has anyone confirmed this? Just curious. I did take a GPS reading on the southern summit of 8,170.

[Jeremy Hakes]

I hiked up ranked 8140A near the Buffalo Creek area in Jefferson County. I visited the northern summit first and it has a register and a benchmarck called JCMD127 from 1977. The register was placed there by who else but Mike Garratt on 2/22/03. Strangely, the other signers of this register did not include any other names that I normally would see i.e. from those who are on Lists of John. I easily found this register next to the benchmark. I have to believe that someone has determined that the southern area is the true high point. Has anyone confirmed this? Just curious. I did take a GPS reading on the southern summit of 8,170.

Vince - that is the HP. I have to go back. USGS elevation of 8161'.

See below:

KK1973 DESIGNATION - 127
KK1973 PID - KK1973
KK1973 STATE/COUNTY- CO/JEFFERSON
KK1973 USGS QUAD - PINE (1994)
KK1973
KK1973 *CURRENT SURVEY CONTROL
KK1973 ___________________________________________________________________
KK1973* NAD 83(1992)- 39 23 22.14371(N) 105 19 50.57067(W) ADJUSTED
KK1973* NAVD 88 - 2487.4 (meters) 8161. (feet) VERTCON
KK1973 ___________________________________________________________________
KK1973 LAPLACE CORR- -12.75 (seconds) DEFLEC99
KK1973 GEOID HEIGHT- -14.14 (meters) GEOID03
KK1973 HORZ ORDER - SECOND
KK1973
KK1973.The horizontal coordinates were established by classical geodetic methods
KK1973.and adjusted by the National Geodetic Survey in January 1993.
KK1973
KK1973.The NAVD 88 height was computed by applying the VERTCON shift value to
KK1973.the NGVD 29 height (displayed under SUPERSEDED SURVEY CONTROL.)
KK1973
KK1973.The Laplace correction was computed from DEFLEC99 derived deflections.
KK1973
KK1973.The geoid height was determined by GEOID03.
KK1973
KK1973; North East Units Scale Factor Converg.
KK1973;SPC CO C - 477,560.002 928,984.964 MT 0.99994855 +0 06 24.4
KK1973;SPC CO C - 1,566,794.77 3,047,844.84 sFT 0.99994855 +0 06 24.4
KK1973;UTM 13 - 4,360,051.689 471,520.521 MT 0.99960999 -0 12 35.5
KK1973
KK1973! - Elev Factor x Scale Factor = Combined Factor
KK1973!SPC CO C - 0.99961213 x 0.99994855 = 0.99956070
KK1973!UTM 13 - 0.99961213 x 0.99960999 = 0.99922227
KK1973
KK1973|---------------------------------------------------------------------|
KK1973| PID Reference Object Distance Geod. Az |
KK1973| dddmmss.s |
KK1973| CP6135 127 RM 1 16.319 METERS 01610 |
KK1973| KK1971 BANNER APPROX. 4.5 KM 0422542.4 |
KK1973| CP6136 127 RM 2 11.973 METERS 10110 |
KK1973|---------------------------------------------------------------------|
KK1973
KK1973 SUPERSEDED SURVEY CONTROL
KK1973
KK1973 NAD 83(1986)- 39 23 22.14005(N) 105 19 50.57248(W) AD( ) 2
KK1973 NAD 27 - 39 23 22.17441(N) 105 19 48.59006(W) AD( ) 2
KK1973 NGVD 29 (07/19/86) 2486.2 (m) 8157. (f) VERT ANG 3
KK1973
KK1973.Superseded values are not recommended for survey control.
KK1973.NGS no longer adjusts projects to the NAD 27 or NGVD 29 datums.
KK1973.See file dsdata.txt to determine how the superseded data were derived.
KK1973
KK1973_U.S. NATIONAL GRID SPATIAL ADDRESS: 13SDD7152160052(NAD 83)
KK1973_MARKER: DD = SURVEY DISK
KK1973_SETTING: 66 = SET IN ROCK OUTCROP
KK1973
KK1973 HISTORY - Date Condition Report By
KK1973 HISTORY - 1977 MONUMENTED CO-059
KK1973
KK1973 STATION DESCRIPTION
KK1973
KK1973'DESCRIBED BY JEFFERSON COUNTY COLORADO 1977 (LCH)
KK1973'THE STATION IS LOCATED 1 MILE SOUTH OF PINE IN THE SOUTHWEST
KK1973'1/4 OF SECTION 34, T 7 S, R 71 W.
KK1973'
KK1973'TO REACH THE STATION FROM PINE, GO EAST ON STATE HIGHWAY 126
KK1973'FOR 3.4 MILES TO THE TOWN OF BUFFALO CREEK AND THE JUNCTION
KK1973'WITH BUFFALO CREEK ROAD. TURN RIGHT AND GO SOUTHWEST FOR 4
KK1973'MILES TO A FORK. BEAR RIGHT FOR 0.4 MILE TO ANOTHER FORK.
KK1973'BEAR RIGHT AGAIN FOR 0.3 MILE TO A 4-WHEEL DRIVE ROAD TO THE
KK1973'RIGHT. TURN RIGHT AND GO 0.7 MILE TO A WIRE GATE. CONTINUE
KK1973'NORTH 0.7 MILE TO A JUNCTION WITH AN EAST-WEST ROAD. TURN
KK1973'RIGHT AND GO NORTHEAST 2 MILES UNTIL THE ROAD CURVES LEFT TO
KK1973'A NORTHWEST HEADING FOR 1 MILE TO A JUNCTION WITH A ROAD TO
KK1973'THE NORTH, TOWARD THE HIGHEST POINT IN THE AREA. TURN RIGHT
KK1973'AND GO NORTH 0.3 MILE TO THE END OF THE ROAD. BEGIN THE 20
KK1973'MINUTE PACK EAST UP A DRAW TO THE TOP OF A ROCK PEAK, THE
KK1973'HIGHEST IN OVER A MILE IN ANY DIRECTION.
KK1973'
KK1973'THE STATION MARK, STAMPED---127 JCMD 1977---, IS A 3-INCH
KK1973'BRONZE DISK CEMENTED IN A DRILL HOLE IN THE BEDROCK OUTCROP
KK1973'NEAR THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF A FLAT AREA 60 FEET SQUARE, AT
KK1973'THE HIGHEST POINT.
KK1973'
KK1973'REFERENCE MARK 1, STAMPED---127 JCMD RM 1 1977---, IS A 3-INCH
KK1973'BRONZE DISK CEMENTED IN A DRILL HOLE IN THE BEDROCK OUTCROP,
KK1973'NEAR THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE FLAT AREA.
KK1973'
KK1973'REFERENCE MARK 2, STAMPED---127 JCMD RM 2 1977---, IS A 3-INCH
KK1973'BRONZE DISK CEMENTED IN A DRILL HOLE IN THE BEDROCK OUTCROP,
KK1973'NEAR THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE FLAT AREA.

[Jeremy Hakes]

Coords list as:

TOPO! GPS Data Format Deg NAD83 ElevFeet Local-Time
8161',39.38944,-105.33056,NA,03/02/2009,12:34:11,


John - should probably do a mass e-mail for the "summitteers". I plan on going back soon. The map is missing a closed contour.

[John Kirk]

I went over both contours from north to south and it appeared visually that the south area was higher, so I didn't even bother to level. There was way too much snow to find a register when I did it.

[RichAllen]

I did this one relatively recently and remember wondering which was higher, so I did them both. I don't even remember a summit register, though to be honest I never really look that hard for them...the ones I do find tend to be soggy messes, any way.